Unleaded or LRP?

[Danzio]

Good article,

I suppose it is all a farse, some new way to lull the public into spending more on something they don't need, based on a promise of having better MPG or better performance etc.

when it comes down to it, we, the public are just being screwed...again.!

and £1.60 a litre for leaded fuel...our goverment sucks! i'd love to wait outside downing street and give Gordon Brown and stupid hair darling a good hearty..

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[Cammo]

and £1.60 a litre for leaded fuel...

Here in Oz we pay about 66p/litre...and we still complain just as much (if not more!) at the price we pay. As a more mature nation the UK should surely pay less than (just civilised) Australia - enter politics.

The distances that we need/want to cover in Oz are much greater. Not sure how that makes petrol cheaper here (politicians? Anyone?).

I'm not complaining, the nc30 will always be tucked away for decades with a few spare 44 gallon barrels of petrol while electric motos become the rage (which admittedly do have a lot to offer). No doubt by then there will be a black market in the stuff.


For the record I walk or ride a pushbike to work.

[Danzio]

pushbike, or walk...nice one :)

its only the odd occasion i'll ride the nc to work. site in a nice secure lockup my comapny has and no one can see or touch her till its home time and im there rideing her away!

other than that i use the tyne and wear metro system to get sround..£450 a year for a annual pass, but im sure riding my bike to work everyday, including fuel and all consumables (tyres, chains, sprockets,) and other stuff i need to factor in would be well more than £450!

electric vehicles...? anyone know any good bike versions yet? i saw one once which was quite cool...a white thing which looked more like a ironing board than a bike...supposed to be fast tho!

[VfRTeddy]

They raced a load of electric bikes at the TT this year they were quite fast if i remember rightly lol

[Neosophist]

4

and £1.60 a litre for leaded fuel...4

It's geuined leaded fuel... 'bad' for the environment, plus they didn't want everyone keeping their old cars, plus for what peopel use it for its not so bad.

[Danzio]

suppose...

my dads old renault 5, D reg, 1.1 litre engine, 4 gears top speed of 80mph and it was brown! was 4 star, and if remember rightly...was a complete pile..a mobile skip...i mean the rear wheel collapsed going around a roundabout with me in the back when i was a nipper..the car was only 6 years old!

bah!

[2wheelstig]

My 1987 VFR400z definitely runs noticably sweeter on super-unleaded, that said it will drink anything, still runs OK on cheap nasty Asda 95 basic unleaded in terms of still having plenty of grunt but it's less responsive and crackles when I am coasting, say up to a red light or junction, it is far more responsive with super unleaded and much quieter when you peel off the throttle.. Therefore as it's running cleaner, it's likely running better MPGs which is certainly not the bike's strong point so the more expensive juice likely makes up it's extra cost on efficiency and there's the added bonus that it sounds less like a track bike when Plod's watching.. what with the race can fitted kindly by its previous owner.. I therefore always feed it higher octane if the filling station's cheap but if I hit reserve and it's a only a pricey place on offer it gets regular as the difference becomes 10p/liter+ which is too much for my liking.
My advice would be to try both and see the difference.. if the difference is minor, save your money, if it is significant then experiment.. Not all super-unleaded are the same whereas the standard 95 is pretty much identical wherever you get it from although certain budget supermarket budget fuel is defo inferior. Various motoring shows have tested the various supers available and some were markedly better than their standard and others were markedly NOT better so shop around. Personally, Murco super-unleaded is my bikes favourite tipple and no I certainly don't work for them!! They seem a good fuel supplier as they are pretty cheap, not far off supermarket price where I live and the supermarket supers generally don't seem that good. I think it's a bit of a lottery tbh. A well known TV motoring show tested a whole bunch of them from Asda to BP to Esso and the most expensive super was the worst (i am not going to name and shame) tbh I cant remember but it's on youtube should you want to see it. All I can say with surety is 'you get what you pay for' is b*llocks where fuel is concerned

[dobbslc]

[quote="Cammoe="Danzio"]
and £1.60 a litre for leaded fuel...[/qoute

I'm not complaining, the nc30 will always be tucked away for decades with a few spare 44 gallon barrels of petrol while electric motos become the rage (which admittedly do have a lot to offer). No doubt by then there will be a black market in the stuff.

I nice fuel efficient bike in post apocalyptic OZ?
I thought you would all be driving around in Matt black Holdon V8 superchargers!

[Neosophist]

My 1987 VFR400z definitely runs noticably sweeter on super-unleaded, that said it will drink anything, still runs OK on cheap nasty Asda 95 basic unleaded in terms of still having plenty of grunt but it's less responsive and crackles when I am coasting, say up to a red light or junction, it is far more responsive with super unleaded and much quieter when you peel off the throttle.. Therefore as it's running cleaner, it's likely running better MPGs which is certainly not the bike's strong point so the more expensive juice likely makes up it's extra cost on efficiency and there's the added bonus that it sounds less like a track bike when Plod's watching.. what with the race can fitted kindly by its previous owner.. I therefore always feed it higher octane if the filling station's cheap but if I hit reserve and it's a only a pricey place on offer it gets regular as the difference becomes 10p/liter+ which is too much for my liking.
My advice would be to try both and see the difference.. if the difference is minor, save your money, if it is significant then experiment.. Not all super-unleaded are the same whereas the standard 95 is pretty much identical wherever you get it from although certain budget supermarket budget fuel is defo inferior. Various motoring shows have tested the various supers available and some were markedly better than their standard and others were markedly NOT better so shop around. Personally, Murco super-unleaded is my bikes favourite tipple and no I certainly don't work for them!! They seem a good fuel supplier as they are pretty cheap, not far off supermarket price where I live and the supermarket supers generally don't seem that good. I think it's a bit of a lottery tbh. A well known TV motoring show tested a whole bunch of them from Asda to BP to Esso and the most expensive super was the worst (i am not going to name and shame) tbh I cant remember but it's on youtube should you want to see it. All I can say with surety is 'you get what you pay for' is b*llocks where fuel is concerned

Unless you are using contaminted fuel super unleaded will make no difference to the running of your engine over regular 95 grade fuel.

The higher the octane rating the more you can compress the fuel before it ignites, that is all.

The NC series was designed for 91 octance unleaded fuel, any higher octane cannot yield more power unless you alter the ignition timing or compression ratio of the engine. Some modern cars like the BMW will adjust the timing based on fuel grade by means of a knock sensor.

Most super unleaded contains high amounts of ethanol to give it a higher octane rating, V power etc can contain upto 10% ethanol to get this octane rating.. ethanol on older bikes is bad for rubber parts.

Which magainze is the study that comes to mind but they did several tests using different fuels and found that unless your engine is designed for it then it makes no difference.

Many people often have a placebo type effect as they beleive the fuel has more power being called super, when really they don't understand what octane rating means.

It's like putting a truck sized battery on your mototcycle. It will still start the bike just the same but offer no benefit over the standard sized battery.

I personally wouldnt run super unleaded becuase of the amounts of ethanol in it, the cost and the fact the "cleaning" agents are not needed, and most of them contain them in such small amounts they don't do anything to an already dirty engine.

Some filling stations also use vapour recycling where they collect all the gasses and suck up the left over crap and dilue it with the fuel, this can lead to diesl contamiation and lower grade product.

In a big batch like filling a 40 litre tank any contaminates are likely to get diluted out, but if you only do a small fill like in a motorcycle tank its easy to get a lot of crap.

Total didn't used to add ethanol to any of their fuels, not sure if its the same today but their 95 unleaded is fine.

Esso also gave good results as they didn't used to do the recycling that contaiminates fuel, again 95 regular has no issue.

For the last 12500 kilometers my bike has ran on 90 octane pump grade with no engine issues, knocking or anthing else untoward. Engine has been worked hard too

[micpec]

I use v-power or bp ultimate for peace of mind on both non-standard bikes I have. Got used to the cost with a car that drinks it too :)

Yeah, I only get 17 miles to the gallon in my car :/

I found the article I was thinking of.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... Which.html

Which? tested a few different fuels and found that some of the super fuels yielded worse performance than standard fuel! hah.

I'd save the £115 over 12,000 miles and use it on more oil & filter changes which will make the engine last longer!

I've never understood the hype of added 'cleaning' detergents to the 'super' fuels. Old side-valve engines needed a regular de-coke but any relativly modern engine with good rings and set-up propely burns very clean compared to older engines and unless it has problems shouldn't really need any extra cleaning agents to make it work 'better'

Whot? Is it a 6cylinder car you drive? I just bought a private car last week and after a week of usage I got 53MPG (converted from 5.3ltrs per 100/kms). Okay, it's again a hybrid car of toyota build in the UK The last company car was the same but was hughly overkitted with all factory accessoires from the dealers list. I admit I did not look into the fuel consumption in the last 7.5 years nor did I do this with my bikes. I got petrol whenever it needed petrol...for the company car plain 95octane unleaded and for my bikes always shell V-power 98octane or similar from BP (Ultimate) or the Texaco Premium equivalent. In the past I have read some article in which they have done research on v-power of shell. Result? Overhere in this country the shell V-power is just the 98octane whereas in Germany the V-power is for sure 100octane. So I always used 98octane for my bikes. Also, knowing that the prices overhere recently increased again by extra government taxes the price at the pump is today ~1.78 euro p/ltr (this varies a lot per city/region/brand). With my "new private" car I get petrol around the corner from shell (no shop, just petrol) for ~1.64 euro p/ltr since last week. For my bikes I still get 98octane petrol for peace of mind like above. Well, in the end bikes it's a hobby and I only ride the bikes occasionally, the car is used every day

Edit:
Oh and here I found some prices as per today in Europe wide, these countries are marked with "E"f or European Union.
The prices are already converted to price per litre in Euro.


Brandstofprijzen in Europa per 3 april 2014 (alle prijzen zijn per liter) - E Landen zijn lid van de Europese Unie

Gesorteerd op: Land oplopendLand aflopendEuro95 prijs oplopendEuro95 prijs aflopendDiesel prijs oplopendDiesel prijs aflopendLPG prijs oplopendLPG prijs aflopendAantal LPG stations oplopendAantal LPG stations aflopend Prijzen Europa per Grafiek

Nr. E Land Euro95 Diesel LPG LPG Nippel LPG stations Info Opname datum
1 Noorwegen € 1,878 NOK 15,440 € 1,721 NOK 14,150 € 0,828 NOK 6,810 Schotel 100 3 april 2014
2 E Nederland € 1,791 € 1,489 € 0,881 Bajonet 1945 3 april 2014
3 E Italië € 1,752 € 1,650 € 0,746 Schotel 2346 3 april 2014
4 E Denemarken € 1,727 DKK 12,890 € 1,526 DKK 11,390 € 1,190 DKK 8,877 Schotel 34 3 april 2014
5 Turkije € 1,709 TRY 5,010 € 1,480 TRY 4,340 € 0,941 TRY 2,760 Schotel 6853 3 april 2014
6 E Griekenland € 1,663 € 1,361 € 0,776 Schotel 41 3 april 2014
7 E België € 1,600 € 1,433 € 0,614 Acme 615 3 april 2014
8 E Portugal € 1,599 € 1,399 € 0,853 Schotel 244 3 april 2014
9 IJsland € 1,598 ISK 245,90 € 1,579 ISK 242,90 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
10 E Finland € 1,592 € 1,494 € Geen Geen 3 april 2014
11 E Duitsland € 1,579 € 1,390 € 0,743 Acme 5985 3 april 2014
12 Israël € 1,568 ILS 7,500 € 1,556 ILS 7,440 € 0,688 ILS 3,290 Bajonet Onbekend 3 april 2014
13 E Engeland € 1,559 GBP 1,291 € 1,636 GBP 1,355 € 0,848 GBP 0,702 Bajonet 1400 3 april 2014
14 E Ierland € 1,519 € 1,469 € 0,779 Acme 200 3 april 2014
15 E Zweden € 1,502 SEK 13,400 € 1,490 SEK 13,290 € 1,009 SEK 9,000 Schotel 16 3 april 2014
16 E Slovenië € 1,454 € 1,345 € 0,779 Schotel 15 3 april 2014
17 E Malta € 1,440 € 1,360 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
18 Zwitserland € 1,432 CHF 1,748 € 1,514 CHF 1,848 € 0,819 CHF 1,000 Acme 38 3 april 2014
19 E Slowakije € 1,428 € 1,349 € 0,716 Schotel 546 3 april 2014
20 E Cyprus € 1,418 € 1,427 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
21 E Spanje € 1,396 € 1,312 € 0,739 Bajonet 40 3 april 2014
22 E Roemenië € 1,386 RON 6,190 € 1,404 RON 6,270 € 0,690 RON 3,080 Schotel 885 3 april 2014
23 E Kroatië € 1,365 HRK 10,440 € 1,286 HRK 9,840 € 0,741 HRK 5,670 Schotel 200 3 april 2014
24 E Oostenrijk € 1,360 € 1,320 € 0,799 Schotel 26 3 april 2014
25 E Hongarije € 1,356 HUF 410,90 € 1,399 HUF 423,90 € 0,809 HUF 245,00 Schotel 489 3 april 2014
26 Albanië € 1,354 ALL 188,00 € 1,339 ALL 186,00 € 0,691 ALL 96,00 Schotel 70 3 april 2014
27 Montenegro € 1,350 € 1,270 € 0,750 Schotel 10 3 april 2014
28 E Luxemburg € 1,323 € 1,181 € 0,567 Acme 8 3 april 2014
29 Servië € 1,322 RSD 151,900 € 1,339 RSD 153,900 € 0,692 RSD 79,500 Schotel 146 3 april 2014
30 E Frankrijk € 1,315 € 1,299 € 0,839 Schotel 1800 3 april 2014
31 E Tsjechië € 1,307 CZK 35,900 € 1,325 CZK 36,400 € 0,652 CZK 17,900 Schotel 800 3 april 2014
32 E Litouwen € 1,300 LTL 4,490 € 1,271 LTL 4,390 € 0,675 LTL 2,330 Schotel 840 3 april 2014
33 E Estland € 1,299 € 1,279 € 0,625 Schotel 12 3 april 2014
34 E Letland € 1,297 € 1,271 € 0,551 Schotel 85 3 april 2014
35 E Bulgarije € 1,282 BGN 2,510 € 1,302 BGN 2,550 € 0,633 BGN 1,240 Schotel 3000 3 april 2014
36 E Polen € 1,269 PLN 5,290 € 1,279 PLN 5,330 € 0,468 PLN 1,950 Acme 6800 3 april 2014
37 Macedonië € 1,264 MKD 78,00 € 1,069 MKD 66,00 € 0,608 MKD 37,50 Schotel 9 3 april 2014
38 Andorra € 1,254 € 1,134 € Onbekend 1 3 april 2014
39 Kosovo € 1,200 € 1,190 € 0,720 Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
40 Bosnië en Herzegovina € 1,199 BAM 2,350 € 1,224 BAM 2,400 € 0,587 BAM 1,150 Schotel 9 3 april 2014
41 Marokko € 1,138 MAD 12,770 € 0,788 MAD 8,840 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
42 Jordanië € 1,025 JOD 1,000 € 0,697 JOD 0,680 € Onbekend 3 3 april 2014
43 Moldavië € 1,017 MDL 18,460 € 0,975 MDL 17,690 € 0,550 MDL 9,990 Onbekend 245 3 april 2014
44 Armenië € 0,972 AMD 540,00 € 0,864 AMD 480,00 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
45 Wit-Rusland € 0,950 BYR 9500,00 € 0,960 BYR 9600,00 € 0,540 BYR 5400,00 Onbekend 39 3 april 2014
46 Georgië € 0,810 GEL 1,950 € 0,902 GEL 2,170 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
47 Oekraïne € 0,788 UAH 12,300 € 0,718 UAH 11,200 € 0,433 UAH 6,760 Schotel 23 3 april 2014
48 U.S.A € 0,697 USD 0,960 € 0,742 USD 1,021 € Acme 2346 3 april 2014
49 Rusland € 0,691 RUB 33,690 € 0,692 RUB 33,760 € Schotel 1 3 april 2014
50 Tunesië € 0,674 TND 1,470 € 0,500 TND 1,090 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
51 Egypte € 0,287 EGP 2,750 € 0,115 EGP 1,100 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
52 Algerije € 0,208 DZD 22,60 € 0,126 DZD 13,70 € 0,083 DZD 9,00 Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
53 Koeweit € 0,167 KWD 0,065 € 0,141 KWD 0,055 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
54 Libië € 0,117 LYD 0,200 € 0,088 LYD 0,150 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014
55 Saoedie-Arabië € 0,087 SAR 0,450 € 0,070 SAR 0,360 € Onbekend Onbekend 3 april 2014