xivlias "other" thread of multiple problems?

[Neosophist]

why would i buy an old bike. i bought one and look what happend. never will i ever buy a pre EFi/DFI bike ever again. its too problematic its too much hassle for someone who just simply wants to ride. R6 isnt bad. especially the newer ones, ive ridden one and i liked it. my dad dad even said not to buy this bike youl regret it. should have listened.

Not listening seems to be a bit of a special skill.

So long as any bike is serviced and maintained (this means replacing bits when they wear out and cleaning / adjusting things as they should be) then the bike will be fairly reliable until the engine no longer runs.

Buying and bike, regardless of age (unless of course it is brand new) that hasnt been maintained will not be reliable for long.

Your problem was quite simple.

1. You brought a grey import old bike that are very common among new riders.. any bike that is for new riders is usually owned for a year, and sold on, do this over 10 years or more then you are looking at a bag full of problems and many issues.

Unless you buy the bike from somebody off here or anywhere else that is an enthsuiast expect ANY 2nd hand bike that is an ideal first bike to be run into the ground.


2. You don't have the money or mechnical skills to fix problems, this is not to say you will never accquire them but you did the classic mistake (been seen on this forum too many times to count) of somebody buying an old hack grey bike, spending all their money on panels and paint and having not money or skills when it breaks a week later.

3. You don't seem to have much common sense.

For these reasons an old bike will never seem reliable to you. I have several 400s, a couple of which were run into the ground when I brought them for the reasons stated above.. people buy them as a first bike, have no money to fix or maintain them, bodge it along and sell it on.

After proper service and maintiance they start flawlessly on the button, run like a swiss watch and the build quality is fantastics, pure 80s bubble period Japan. They have also covered many miles!

My brothers GSX-R6 and friends ZX636 feel like they are made out of paper in comparision.

Efi bikes can be just as problematic as carb bikes, especially if you don't know what you are doing, do you realise how much extra shit needs to go onto a bike to fuel inject it?

Diagnosing intermittent problems on an FI system can be a real pain in the arse (speaking from experience) when you dont know if the injectors are plying up, the CDI or some other sensor or wire.

I think the moral of the story is dont expect an older FI bike to be the answer to your problems, if you plan on keeping it any lenght of time you will either need to learn maintiance and service or pay your local garage to do it.

If you go to look at an R6 and its a 22 year old kid who knows nothing about it but says its fast as fuck and check out the tasty end-can then walk away, even if it is a bit cheaper it will probably cost you more in the long one.

Whatever you buy, carbed / FI buy the best you can afford and get it from somebody who knows the bike and has done some work to it.

[vfrman]

Damn you have some of the best one-liners!

[xivlia]

Neo, its the amount of maintanence that is required on older bikes is what overwhelms me. i didnt know about this forum, only heard about it when i payed my deposit, otherwise i think i would of bought one from here. i know that fuel injected bikes are far more complex, but if i buy a 0mileage or less then 10k i know it isnt going to have many problems mechanically or electronically if its been well looked after. especcialy if its from a trusted dealer.

anyway... apprently i cannot buy a bike on finance with third party and fire theft insuarnce, so thats me stuck with this bike for a bit longer

[Sam-NI]

trusted dealer.

LOL!

[bikemonkey]

I think once you learn to maintain and service it regular and your problems are gone you'll enjoy the bike.

I had a few problems with mine, but I solved them, kept up with the maintenance and I don't want to ever get rid of it.

Even though I want a second bike for winter, I still won't be selling my 30.

[vic-vtrvfr]

From ersans facebook.

just got it back from the mechanics today and they got it running, they are saying its running without a problem. so im thinking its fixed for now. my throttle cable snapped so i need a new cable. they said that the carbs had a hell of a lot of water in it.... not a clue how that happend, but the whole thing costed me £49.20 which is also good.

Seems the bike is fix horay

Just seen this is in the wanted section

After i got my bike from the mechanics. i was going to install my choke cable, but only to notice that they have removed the bracket on the carb, which the cable sits into and screwes tight... the brassy looking clip i dont know if you guys know what im talking about? anyway, i phoned them up and they said they didnt touch anything or unscrwed anything, but that is clearly a lie and they wont admit it... so i need to buy another one. also what i need is, two carb rubber clips.. if anyones got some. please. thank you.

Silly question, apologies if I'm being dumb.
How did your mechanic sort out your bike & get it running properly without the choke cable??
Also, how did he get the water out of the carbs without unscrewing anything??

Not really a good idea to call your local friendly mechanic a liar when you're relying on him to help rectify your problems, i would imagine it'll make him bit less co-operative.

[xivlia]

sorry....but that whole thing in the wanted section.. was a mistake. the clip has unscrewed and its fallen underneath the carb and i didnt see that till i took the carbs off a few hours ago but i still need the proper carb clips.. anyone got any?

he said he got it running without the choke, you dont need to have choke on ALL the time when starting do you? i dont have it on when starting the bike up sometimes, unless its frosty. or if the bike is being a bitch and jamming.

[Man_Named_Dave]

My bike was pissing me off last winter and costing too much money, so I calmly walked away from it for a few months. Have you considered just letting it be for a few months and seeing how you feel? It's not currently rideable so it shouldn't make a huge difference to step away from it for a while over winter and come back to it fresh later on.

Even though it was sunny today, let's face it, there will be very few bike-friendly days over the next 6 months, and the value of an NC30 is hardly going to change in that time.

[thunderace]

Mine has pissed me off too. Extra things that need replacing or modifying during the re-build. Shit happens when you buy an older bike or take on a project. That's life, get on with it.

I'd have quite happily bought the bike off you but you're dreaming on the price in it's current condition as my first task would be a complete strip down to ascertain what damage has been done, something I'd normally charge quite a fee for.

[bullitt]

hi
my nc21 is now 26 years old
i bought it from a friend knowing it had a few problems
through the guys on this sight and taking their advice ive overhauled my brakes
changed fork oil
over hauled carbs and balanced them
done electrical checks
last week with a mate and excellent advice from here i dropped the engine out
and put new collector box on shes running sweet as a nut now
just listen to these guys get the bike sorted from the offers youve had youll love it

i know mines not an nc30 but these guys have saved me a fortune
cheers