CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
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CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
Hi, all :)
For my first post here, I need to ask a few questions...
A lady friend of mine has had a CB400 Big One for about a year (dead standard). Another mate of mine has just bought a lightly-modified one (braided hoses front and rear, JMCA-legal exhaust). I don't know what year-models these bikes are, but I presume both are 'Spec 1' (neither of them have VTEC.)
Since I helped them both buy these bikes, I've been roped in as the designated mechanic.
What I need to know is:
1 - What spark plugs do the non-VTEC engines use as standard, and at what electrode gap?
When I gave the standard bike a check-over before I let my friend ride it, the dealer that sold it fitted it with mismatched plugs - there were two NGK CR9Es and two CR9EH-9s. I replaced the CR9EH-9s with CR9Es and gapped them all to 0.65mm. The plugs are near replacement now, and seem to be carbon-fouled. I have a mind to replace them with CR8Es.
2 - How can one determine the year-model of these bikes by VIN code?
3 - What method of top-speed restriction is used on these bikes, and what is the easiest way to bypass/disable it?
4 - What are the standard intake/exhaust valve clearances for these engines? Is measurement done hot or cold?
5 - The standard bike's chassis number starts with 'NC31' (CB 400), but the engine number starts with 'NC23E'.
Could this bike have been the subject of an engine transplant from a CBR 400 at some stage...? (And if so, what would the correct spark plugs be THEN?)
Thanks muchly to anyone who can answer these questions! :)
In return, I'd like to share some tips that my lady friend and I have picked up after running her bike for a year:
We struggled to find replacement tyres in 110/70-17 and 140/70-17. I know from running track-day bikes that the wider you go on the rear, the more reluctant the bike will be to change direction, so we wanted to keep the tyre size standard.
We eventually found that Kenda K671s are brilliant, available in all popular sizes for small greys and are very reasonably priced (about 35% less than equivalent Bridgestones or Michelins).
In the beginning, we were confounded by a starting problem: the bike would crank and crank, but wouldn't start. I eventually found that if the kill switch is in the 'Off' position with the ignition switch 'On', the bike will still crank over without starting, but won't produce a spark. Problem solved by flipping the kill switch to 'On'.
The standard bike, for some reason, had huge instability problems over 160 Km/h or so - it would start to weave so badly that if you didn't back off the throttle, you were in deep trouble.
I cured the problem by dropping the front triple clamps down the fork stanchions by 20mm, steepening the head angle a bit.
In conjuction with lowering the rear shock preload adjustment collars to minimum preload, this also means my friend can now put both her feet flat on the ground (she's 5"3).
The ignition switch/steering lock could sometimes jam to the point where it was impossible to turn the ignition key in the lock (it felt like there was a physical obstruction jamming the mechanism.) A squirt of Castrol DWF down the key slot sorted it - WD40 would probably work just as well.
The speedometer drive on the wheel failed after six months or so (the nylon driven gear had been chewed up by the aluminium drive gear).
I picked up a second-hand replacement that the breaker was sure had NOT come from a CB 400, though it looked identical, and the number of teeth on the driven and drive gears were the same. When pressed, he guessed that it had come from an NC21, NC24 or NC29.
For my first post here, I need to ask a few questions...
A lady friend of mine has had a CB400 Big One for about a year (dead standard). Another mate of mine has just bought a lightly-modified one (braided hoses front and rear, JMCA-legal exhaust). I don't know what year-models these bikes are, but I presume both are 'Spec 1' (neither of them have VTEC.)
Since I helped them both buy these bikes, I've been roped in as the designated mechanic.
What I need to know is:
1 - What spark plugs do the non-VTEC engines use as standard, and at what electrode gap?
When I gave the standard bike a check-over before I let my friend ride it, the dealer that sold it fitted it with mismatched plugs - there were two NGK CR9Es and two CR9EH-9s. I replaced the CR9EH-9s with CR9Es and gapped them all to 0.65mm. The plugs are near replacement now, and seem to be carbon-fouled. I have a mind to replace them with CR8Es.
2 - How can one determine the year-model of these bikes by VIN code?
3 - What method of top-speed restriction is used on these bikes, and what is the easiest way to bypass/disable it?
4 - What are the standard intake/exhaust valve clearances for these engines? Is measurement done hot or cold?
5 - The standard bike's chassis number starts with 'NC31' (CB 400), but the engine number starts with 'NC23E'.
Could this bike have been the subject of an engine transplant from a CBR 400 at some stage...? (And if so, what would the correct spark plugs be THEN?)
Thanks muchly to anyone who can answer these questions! :)
In return, I'd like to share some tips that my lady friend and I have picked up after running her bike for a year:
We struggled to find replacement tyres in 110/70-17 and 140/70-17. I know from running track-day bikes that the wider you go on the rear, the more reluctant the bike will be to change direction, so we wanted to keep the tyre size standard.
We eventually found that Kenda K671s are brilliant, available in all popular sizes for small greys and are very reasonably priced (about 35% less than equivalent Bridgestones or Michelins).
In the beginning, we were confounded by a starting problem: the bike would crank and crank, but wouldn't start. I eventually found that if the kill switch is in the 'Off' position with the ignition switch 'On', the bike will still crank over without starting, but won't produce a spark. Problem solved by flipping the kill switch to 'On'.
The standard bike, for some reason, had huge instability problems over 160 Km/h or so - it would start to weave so badly that if you didn't back off the throttle, you were in deep trouble.
I cured the problem by dropping the front triple clamps down the fork stanchions by 20mm, steepening the head angle a bit.
In conjuction with lowering the rear shock preload adjustment collars to minimum preload, this also means my friend can now put both her feet flat on the ground (she's 5"3).
The ignition switch/steering lock could sometimes jam to the point where it was impossible to turn the ignition key in the lock (it felt like there was a physical obstruction jamming the mechanism.) A squirt of Castrol DWF down the key slot sorted it - WD40 would probably work just as well.
The speedometer drive on the wheel failed after six months or so (the nylon driven gear had been chewed up by the aluminium drive gear).
I picked up a second-hand replacement that the breaker was sure had NOT come from a CB 400, though it looked identical, and the number of teeth on the driven and drive gears were the same. When pressed, he guessed that it had come from an NC21, NC24 or NC29.
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Re: CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
Hi again,
I had a quick look-see around my second friends' NC31 last night. All the plugs were CR9EH-9. I took a very careful look into the now-open spark plug holes, and it appears that they are, in fact, the right configuration plugs for this particular bike.
It seems like most of my other questions could be answered by access to a good workshop manual. There seems to be disagreement in some of the other forums as to whether or not a manual is available in English... is it?
And if it is, can anyone post a link?
Thanks guys. :)
I had a quick look-see around my second friends' NC31 last night. All the plugs were CR9EH-9. I took a very careful look into the now-open spark plug holes, and it appears that they are, in fact, the right configuration plugs for this particular bike.
It seems like most of my other questions could be answered by access to a good workshop manual. There seems to be disagreement in some of the other forums as to whether or not a manual is available in English... is it?
And if it is, can anyone post a link?
Thanks guys. :)
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Re: CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
The plugs i use in my 1995 SuperFour are CR8EH. They came pre-gapped and i havent had a problem with them.
The frame number does begin with the model prefix NC31 and the engine number with the prefix NC23E.
There are a number of threads on this site which describe how to de-restrict your bike. The restrictor is located in the wiring loom behind the headlight. I havent done this to my bike.
Hope this helps you some,
Frank
The frame number does begin with the model prefix NC31 and the engine number with the prefix NC23E.
There are a number of threads on this site which describe how to de-restrict your bike. The restrictor is located in the wiring loom behind the headlight. I havent done this to my bike.
Hope this helps you some,
Frank
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Re: CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
Hi Frank,
That does make sense. I took a close look at the wiring coming from the CDI unit under the left-hand side panel, and saw no evidence of an orange wire with blue tracer.
'll go back through the published posts again.
Thanks man. :)
That does make sense. I took a close look at the wiring coming from the CDI unit under the left-hand side panel, and saw no evidence of an orange wire with blue tracer.
'll go back through the published posts again.
Thanks man. :)
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Re: CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
Seeing as Jo'burg is so high up you might have to fit smaller jets to stop it foulling up due to running too rich.
get some pics up
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Re: CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
Hi everyone,i've got full service manual for this bike.If somebody needs it,i could send it.
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Re: CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
Hey, I'd be interested in getting this. Could you upload it to http://rapidshare.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and then post the link to it here?kiki5 wrote:Hi everyone,i've got full service manual for this bike.If somebody needs it,i could send it.
Thanks.
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Re: CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
Yeah id like the manual too. Any chance you can upload it to Rapidshare or post it to this site?kiki5 wrote:Hi everyone,i've got full service manual for this bike.If somebody needs it,i could send it.
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Frank
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Re: CB 400 Project Big One - questions from South Africa :)
http://rapidshare.com/files/385838447/c ... f.pdf.html
I hope it'll be helpful.....
I hope it'll be helpful.....