Wanted: Restrictor washers for fzr 400 3tj

[fzr6]

right or wrong id still opt for doing it the way that has been seen to be correct for many years now rather than risk the chance of ooops miss chelsea tractor pulled out on me and oh bollocks not got correct restriction see you in court.

Just because the same mistaken information has been around for a while doesn't make it fact, I would however agree that if you are on a restricted licence you should have your bike restricted. Do your two years and then take em out. yourself if you like, and save yourself some money :D

im telling him how most dealers in the uk are told. in telling him that i have it not on my head if he gets done for doing itany other way. yes there may be ways round it but is it worth risking your liecence or worse a prison sentance if some 1 happens to be killed???

The dealers are told by who?? FI international perhaps, who have a vested interest in making sh*t loads of money from what is generally a set of washers! They can
The dealers certainly won't be getting that info from the UK Police service as it's incorrect.
If you're working in a dealers why not ask FI to produce some paperwork to go up on the wall in your dealership that actually says by law you must have an fi supplied and fitted kit with a dyno printout to meet the requirements of the R.T.A.
That way you can be confident that you are advising new riders on a legal requirement and not some marketing hype I bet you they won't.

As a biker on a fairly limited budget I can't afford to be giving money away if I don't have to! I'd rather be sticking it in my tank and getting some more miles on the old girl.
Fitting a second hand kit yourself is not a way around the system but is in fact completely lawful and fully acceptable.
Likewise if you want to spend money on a dyno printout for peace of mind all well and good but don't confuse having personal peace of mind with a legal requirement to have, and to be able to produce to Police, this piece of paper.

If you've got money to burn and want to go the FI route then fair enough but don't mistake the availability of restrictor kits from FI with the legal requirement to buy it from them.

[Evilchicken0]

I have to agree with fzr6 on this.

The law requires the bike to produce no more than 33hp or have a certain power to weight ratio. F1 have produced a kit that will restrict a bike to 33hp, they've invested time and money into it I'm sure ... but I wouldn't pay what they ask though.

Just to come back to the original post though .... if you can a kit secondhand do it. I personally think it's best to get the bike tuned at a dyno so the fuelling is right and while your at it get a printout.

At the roadside ... if it's a traffic cop and he rides the bike up the road and back he'll be able to tell the difference between 33 and 55-60 hp.


Now "Y'all play nice now"

[fzr6]

At the roadside ... if it's a traffic cop and he rides the bike up the road and back he'll be able to tell the difference between 33 and 55-60 hp.
Now "Y'all play nice now"

I am playing nice evil. I wasn't trying to cause offence to stracing or anybody else.
As a bloke struggling to justify spending any money on my bike I really don't like being told I MUST spend lots of money when the information is incorrect.
I can't help but feel if your going to offer people information in relation to a legal requirement you need to make sure that what your stating is accurate.
I don't want people to think they HAVE to spend money on stuff when they are not legally required to.
If people think I've been OTT then apologies to all, that certainly wasn't my intention.

Its also worth noting the Police have absolutely no power in law to ride your bike up the road to test it unless you give them permission to do so. They actually have to have 'reasonable' grounds to suspect your bike is over the prescribed limit. Then they need to seize your bike and submit it for professional examination by a vehicle examiner (they are usually an in-force individual but they can employ an independant specialist if necessary)
They HAVE to get the bike examined because this is whats known as an absolute offence. (the bike is either under or over the prescribed limit. It's not open to interpretation or the officers opinion.)
If they wish to prosecute you for this offence they have to provide this evidence to the court (It will be a report from a qualified vehicle examiner) that the bike is producing over the prescribed power limit.
An officers opinion that the bike is producing over the limit is not sufficient evidence for this particular offence.

Due to the costs/effort involved they are unlikely to do this unless they are investigating a serious offence such as causing death by careless/dangerous driving or the officer is on a crusade due to issues with your riding.

This is not intended to encourage people to flout the current law but knowing what the law REALLY requires you to do and how it is enforced is the first step in complying with it.

I'll get my coat!

[dru86]

Just wondering is the 33hp supposed to be rear wheel or crank hp? We have a similar requirement over here for new riders that the bike must meet a power to weight requirement(250kw/tonne, the power is what the manufacturer states) on yours L's (must have for a minimum of 3 months) and your first year of P's, after that you can ride anything you want.

[fzr6]

Hey Dru,

power output on the A2 licence should be no more than 33bhp/25kw and not exceed a power to weight ratio of 0.16 kW/kg

I can't remember whether that was at the wheels or crank though.

[Evilchicken0]

I'd say rear wheel as the crank isn't measurable ... it's a theroretical figure

[sharpey]

I'd say rear wheel as the crank isn't measurable ... it's a theroretical figure

i agree if it is dyno'd its done to rear wheel so go for that

[TheGodFather]

Hi i run a mobile motorcycle business and if you reed this web page to do with the law and the matter with restrictor kits, this is the 2008 update..

http://www.lightningmctraining.co.uk/jk ... %20LICENCE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So as you can see you need to have them fitted by a dealer or technician and removed by them aswell....

Youn need certification before you can do your test as well to prove your bike is legal!!!!!

This for sharpey and

[fzr6]

you can lead a horse to water.......

I fully appreciate that you can find websites that say you must have a kit fitted by a technician but do any of them quote the legal act or section that makes this alleged LEGAL REQUIREMENT. Of course not, because they can't find it either. They're just quoting verbatim the same incorrect info you've just quoted. I'd love to know where they got it from!
No offence intended but have you yourself actually checked what your passing off as the latest info for 2008 is actually a true legal requirement or are you just doing the same thing as these websites and therefore with the best of intentions actually perpetuating the same misinformation?

In order to require IN LAW that the public must have and subsequently be able to produce a 33bhp certificate,
or to require that a restrictor kit be fitted by an authorised person means it must first be enacted by parliament to make it a law.

Even the Driving Standards Agency website only tells you that your bike must be restricted it certainly doesn't tell you who by or mention any requirement for paperwork.

I've made a number of enquiries in relation to this and yet to find ANYONE either within the Police Service or outside it that can actually produce the relevant section of the RTA, construction and use regulations, or any other legal act that says you have to have a dyno printout, compliance certificate or any other form of paperwork and again nothing that says the kit has to be fitted by an authorised dealer/technician.

Unless someone on here knows different. If you do PLEASE pipe up so we can put this one to bed!

[Petetheengineer]

in my experience and my friends experiences we have been challenged about the restrictor back when we had just done our tests and we had fitted the restrictors ourselves. When we where stopped they asked the normal plod questions and when they realised that we has restricted liscences they requested our certs but obviously we did not have any so we stated that the bike was only outputing 33bph and they could if they want preform a dyno test to prove the above. this happened on a number of occasions because we attended a number to events that were marred by the presence of police and they where constantly checking documentation (i do not blame them).

We never recieved any warning or point for not having a cert they accepted that the restrictors where fitted. I belive that as long as they are fitted they cannot do a thing and it would not be in the polices interest that it be more dificult and costly for us to restrict our bikes. They are interested that they are restricted and not how they where restricted.

well thats my view

thanks for reading