• over priced much?

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:27 pm**

I don't get it.

I get the uprated suspension / tyres and brakes.

But if you want to make it look like a new sports bike why not just get a CBR600RR or something?

To me, a great deal of the VFR400 is its looks.

That bike looks the same as any other modern bike and could be anything, except it has an old V4 block in there.

Not for me i'm afraid.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:39 pm**

Agree with you Neo..it is wrong..

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:49 pm**

had this discussion with the wife this morning i got all excitted when i saw the seed pics tony put up and had to show the wife that was the scheme i was going with.

and she said the VFR looks old and horrible with the round light and the seed scheme, i then showed her roysters single head light endurance look, no she still said it looks old. then i showed an RVF "oh that looks better"

i then answered back and said its 22years old kel, if i wanted a new bike id have bought one.

i think theres a split decision on it really i think there always will be id preffer a standard VFR over a Tyga or K conversion. but im old school and a purest.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:28 pm**

Neosophist wrote:I don't get it.

I get the uprated suspension / tyres and brakes.

But if you want to make it look like a new sports bike why not just get a CBR600RR or something?

To me, a great deal of the VFR400 is its looks.

That bike looks the same as any other modern bike and could be anything, except it has an old V4 block in there.

Not for me i'm afraid.

maybe he does not want a 600 and prefers a 400 like many do (power insurance etc), but he may not like the dated looks of a 20 odd year old bike. As their is nothing modern that compares to the old 400s he is limited to choice on what he can do and this will fit in the gap. I like the bikes in both ways and see both sides on the looks thing but if everyone was the same the world would be a very boring place.

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:00 am**

You're quick on the defence! It wouldn't be becuase you sell the stuff would it?

After all, I wonder how cheap it actually is to insure a highly modified 20 year old grey bike... and if he's only recently had all the parts for it, I wonder why it's being sold so soon.

Regardles... I'm not knocking the quality of the kit or craftsmanship and I can appreciate the work that has gone into it but im still not sold.

Sometimes I see customisations and think 'yes thats really nice', I just didn't click with this one.

I've been hearing that nothing has replaced the old 400's for the last 10 years. i'm not so sold on that anymore either. I think they have, but not in the way people think...

Especially for the Inline 4's (FZR's, GSXR's, ZXR's) though

The newer 600's are lighter, almost twice as powerful and have vastly superior suspension and brakes. There just as flickable nowadays (i've rode a 2008 CBR600RR and a 2009 ZXR a lot!)

The main benefits of the older 400's are that they have a lower seat height and the fact they don't have as much power can be better, especially with an over zealous rider, you'll often hear the phrase 'keep it pinned everywhere' there more forgiving. crack the throttle too hard on something with an extra 40hp and you'll notice... this can be detrimental to both the comfort of the rider and confidence.

Good old Honda though with their quirky V4, still has quite a unique sound and feel to it even now.

You might not think it from what i've written above but I have a soft-spot for the 400's and wouldn't sell mine for anything, I know there not the fastest, there getting on and need work to keep going occasionally but there great for what they are.

More than that its the way riding any of them make me feel, fantastic balance of power and weight, especially for road use and handled great for their time, all in all this made an excellent bike that could ridden well by most people and would run rings around most other bikes if the rider had experience.

I've heard several people say their 600's frighten then when they open them up, never heard this about a 400. I think this is probably the bit where 'replacements' fall down.

The newer bikes are over-powered for the road and have the power to misbehave when hamfistedly ridden, so becuase of this, unless they make low powered 600's there never going to replace the 400's with something that feels the same.

Enough digressing anyhow...

If your going to build something like that you must expect some criticism. Probably more-so on a forum full of collectors

So for me, no matter how good the build quality is (all of which I appreciate the effort) I won't like the final product.

So long as he enjoys the bike then thats really all that matters.

accept the compliements and not worry about criticisim as you'll never please everyone.

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:21 pm**

Neosophist wrote:You're quick on the defence! It wouldn't be becuase you sell the stuff would it?In my post I stated I like the look of both old and new and this has nothing to do with the fact that I sell the kits we sell plenty of them and have no need to defend them in a post like this as it is not a post slagging the kits off its a post about the price of the bike and peoples ideas on the looks I also sell standard shape panels to cover both views so I sell either way

After all, I wonder how cheap it actually is to insure a highly modified 20 year old grey bike... and if he's only recently had all the parts for it, I wonder why it's being sold so soon. not as much as you would think and still cheaper than a modern 600 foryounger riders, he may have problems and needs to sell it happens alot more these days with the economy and jobs

Regardles... I'm not knocking the quality of the kit or craftsmanship and I can appreciate the work that has gone into it but im still not sold.not everyones cup of tea as i stated would be boring if everyone was the same

Sometimes I see customisations and think 'yes thats really nice', I just didn't click with this one.

I've been hearing that nothing has replaced the old 400's for the last 10 years. i'm not so sold on that anymore either. I think they have, but not in the way people think... i dont see any modern 400s inline or v-four that replace them modern 600s and way to fast for novice riders getting to grips with bikes and the modern 250s are not much better than a derestricted 125 a SV650 with a decent bodykit would be the closest you can get these days

Especially for the Inline 4's (FZR's, GSXR's, ZXR's) though

The newer 600's are lighter, almost twice as powerful and have vastly superior suspension and brakes. There just as flickable nowadays (i've rode a 2008 CBR600RR and a 2009 ZXR a lot!) i agree just as flickable but too much power for novices

The main benefits of the older 400's are that they have a lower seat height and the fact they don't have as much power can be better, especially with an over zealous rider, you'll often hear the phrase 'keep it pinned everywhere' there more forgiving. crack the throttle too hard on something with an extra 40hp and you'll notice... this can be detrimental to both the comfort of the rider and confidence.

Good old Honda though with their quirky V4, still has quite a unique sound and feel to it even now.

You might not think it from what i've written above but I have a soft-spot for the 400's and wouldn't sell mine for anything, I know there not the fastest, there getting on and need work to keep going occasionally but there great for what they are.

More than that its the way riding any of them make me feel, fantastic balance of power and weight, especially for road use and handled great for their time, all in all this made an excellent bike that could ridden well by most people and would run rings around most other bikes if the rider had experience.

I've heard several people say their 600's frighten then when they open them up, never heard this about a 400. I think this is probably the bit where 'replacements' fall down.

The newer bikes are over-powered for the road and have the power to misbehave when hamfistedly ridden, so becuase of this, unless they make low powered 600's there never going to replace the 400's with something that feels the same.

Enough digressing anyhow...

If your going to build something like that you must expect some criticism. Probably more-so on a forum full of collectors

So for me, no matter how good the build quality is (all of which I appreciate the effort) I won't like the final product.

So long as he enjoys the bike then thats really all that matters.

accept the compliements and not worry about criticisim as you'll never please everyone.

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:11 pm**

Here we go again!!

Theres always going to be lovers and haters but fair play to tyga as there's obviously anough lovers out there to keep them and gav in buisness. Im old skool and think theres nothing better than the classic lines of the NC but i dont hold anything against anyone wanting some more modern looking (as long as they dont wreck a decent NC to do it

)

I wouldnt go for the TYGA kit except maybe the T10 nose but id love to build a NC with more modern looks, I dont i think that TYGA'd NC in question is worth anywhere near what he asking but some will, to me its just a cleaned up NC30 with a kit and nice paintjob, that doesnt really hold any re sale value to me.Ok he's spent the money with new parts etc but that doesnt mean your get anywhere near that when selling, thats only worth doing if you intend to keep the bike. just my 2 cents worth.

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:08 pm**

I'm not sure its all about modernising the bike more like giving it a uniqueness (if that's a word

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Stamping your own image and personalising it for your own purposes, practical ie improved performance
or cosmetically piant jobs, after market parts and even anodised shite

Very few bikes offer the same level of customisation as the nc30

But to each his own

Personally I prefer the standard shape but I can appreciate the work gone into that bike
but its not worth 5k

That's my 2p's worth

Alex

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:37 am**

Gav didn't say anythign about the last half of my post.. I think its' becuase I basically said what he has :-)

Something the old 400's have which modern day bikes don't is near ideal road power. Let me elaborate.

A modern day 600 is knocking out over 100hp. Personally I think this is too much for

i. the road.
ii. a novice rider.

Anytime you come near to using all of the power your are breaking speed limits, even in the first few gears.

Unless you are a fairly experienced rider, you can easily over-cook it and get yourself into trouble.. even while braking as some of these radial setups will throw you over the handlebars without hesitating.

With an old 400 you can use most of the power you have available and enjoy the road a lot more. It is a shame we dont' have a 60hp/400cc cap on bikes, there might be some modern replacements arriving.

Back to the bike though. For whatever reason it was made (the above ideas alone are enough to make a 'new' looking bike that doesn't have so much power) I don't like it, simple as, I said before though, as long as the owner enjoys it (maybe not, he's selling it?) thats all that matters.

Personally I think it's becuase it is all too clinical now... when i see that I see just another bike with its arse in the air.

Low slung chunkey asses reminds me of simpler times.

Everythings ABS'd ESR's and CDI'd now. Wind tunnel tested and refined to the n'th degree. All of this to me has produced some fantastic machines but 'souless'

The 80's was a great time, experimentation, anything goes, just look at some other non-motorcycle stuff that came out back in the day.. a VCR that would also make coffee.. A nintendo you could also use to check your bank account with.

Either the above or i'm just becoming more of a grumpy bastard.

And on that bombshell I shall leave with two short videos of the good old days

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:03 am**

Neo, you touch on a point there about 100bhp being more than enough for the road. fact is, if it was limited like france, then people would derestrict just because they could. same if it was 200bhp. its human instinct to try and liberate all the power you can and make it the best it can be.
i will say that 100bhp on my cbr600rr5 was pretty useless on the road, sod all grunt and too much top end of the revs making it dangerous combo in the wet conditions or in the hands of a newbie.
However the similar 100bhp i have on the 916 and even less on the RC30 are quite different. Firstly the 916 in the wet is something else. i have been thinking the clutch was slipping to discover it was wheel spin, it doesnt try and fish tale like a IL4 when traction goes. As for the RC, with even less power at the wheel its way faster than the old 916 up top by quite a margin, and is dare i say one of the easiest bikes i have ever ridden in the last 25 years.
I think twins and V's are more suited to the road than a IL4, but as always costs dictate, and so do the mainstream, and lets be honest the IL4 makes alot of power for your buck.
But going back, i think Alex summed it up pretty well for me back there. Each to their own, but the fact remains, if you bolt on 2k's worth of bits, it doesn't mean that the value of the bike has shot up an extra 2k at the same time. If anything its halved your market audience by 50% and devalued the bike if not sold with its original parts.

I still think that is one of the far better ones done and quite like it. i personally still wouldn't pay over 2k for it, and would take the OE one in good original condition for the same money everytime

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