NC30 clutch plates in an NC24

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NC30 clutch plates in an NC24

Post by EvanTate » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:25 pm

Hi guys,

My NC24 clutch is slipping big time now and I needs to change it. However, I cannot find any NC24 plates at any of the shops around here so my question is can I fit the NC30 plates in my NC24. I have checked things out and I see no reason why it won't work, but it would be great to find out if anyone has done this yet and how it turned out. :pray:

Thanks :peace:

EDIT: Here is the Wemoto site for NC24 and NC30 plates respectively. So I'm thinking they should be the same although the part numbers do differ?

Gecko NC24 plates Part no: VC177

Gecko NC30 plates Part no: VC1017

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Re: NC30 clutch plates in an NC24

Post by Neosophist » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:12 pm

EvanTate wrote:^ I have checked things out and I see no reason why it won't work,

EDIT: Here is the Wemoto site for NC24 and NC30 plates respectively. So I'm thinking they should be the same although the part numbers do differ?
Why don't you just order the clutch plates for the NC24 from wemoto? they are cheaper than the NC30 set too. I am curious though to what exactly did you check to make you think they will fit, apart from looking at the pictures of the clutch plates in those links which is just a generic picture and not specific to the NC24 / NC30.

Best place to check is the actual microfiche.

Now from memory (so this could be wildly wrong and I'd double check anything I say) but having owned both bikes and doing several clutches here goes...

Firstly the outer clutch basket is the same on both bikes, so the plates should phsyically fit into the basket. The NC30 uses a sprag type slipping clutch with diaphram springs and the NC24 uses a conventional 4 spring clutch.. I am pretty sure that if you swap the complete clutch (inner / plates and maybe clutch case cover / push rod) you can retrofit the NC30 clutch into the NC24.

As for keeping things stock and just using the plates it might not be so simple, it's down to fibre plate thickness.

The NC30 uses 10 of these friction plates "22201-mr8-000" on all but the early K model NC30's which used 8 of one type two of another type, The early K model NC30 part numbers were

22201166000 x 2, which is now (22201GF6000) and
22201ML0781 x 8 which is now (22201MR8000)


The NC24 clutch uses 9 friction plates.

22201mj8000 x 1 which is now (22201KY1000) at the innermost part of the clutch. This plate is a special friction plate and is most often knackered. It should be replaced and will NOT come with any NC30/35 clutch set.

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and

22201166000 x 8 which is now (22201GF6000)

You can see that the early NC30 K model uses two of the same exact clutch plates as the NC24 but the later types use 10 of the different part number clutch plates.

I think you can just fit 10 of the later parts to an earlier clutch too if you have to.

Since the basket is the same you can probably fit 8 of the NC30 plates to your NC24 clutch and they will phsyically fit, but being a different partnumber I guess that the compound of the material is different so you will either burn it out or it wont grip right, if there too thin or thick they wont fit.

Based on the above NC30 fiches and plate thickness I think if you bought an NC30 clutch kit you could fit 8 of the 10 plates and have 2 left over but then you'd be stuck without the correct innermost NC24 specific clutch plate. Plus if the material is different it might feel weird.

If you give those part numbers to any honda garage they should be able to order you them, they are used on many bikes not just NC24.

Id either get an aftermarket kit made for the NC24 or goto Honda, an NC30 kit wont have all the right parts.
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Re: NC30 clutch plates in an NC24

Post by EvanTate » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:05 am

Thanks for the detailed reply. To check I physically had an nc24 and nc30 clutch plate in front of me from a workshop. But only had one of each so I must've had the two similair ones like you said. Me thinks I would possibly get it right with some playing around and part swapping as you say, but I will rather try source the NC24 kit first. Unfortunately being in South Africa with our crappy exchange rate for me to order something in myself will cost an arm and both legs. Honda over here refuses to help with anything grey... Go figure. But, I will keep looking. Surely someone somewhere must have one. But if all else fails I will most likely just import them. Thanks again. Ps: sorry for possible crappy spelling and format. On my phone.

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Re: NC30 clutch plates in an NC24

Post by Neosophist » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:46 pm

size is the same but the actual pad material might be different whcih can lead to either a slipping clutch or a clutch with too much bite.

even if you bodge it and fit 8 of the nc30 plates you will still need the specific nc24 clutch palate x 1.

just give a local dealer the part numbers and ask for them and see what they say.

there is not getting around it but bikes are expensive, clutch is important and prevision mfg'd part. old bikes espeically often need many parts which are expeisnve, nt a cheap hobby classic bikes but doing it properly is the best way, everythign else will probably cause you more issues.
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Re: NC30 clutch plates in an NC24

Post by EvanTate » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:33 pm

Managed to get a guy to sell me the 9 plates for R490. R50 a plate + R90 for the special plate. He wasn't too impressed with me trying to talk the price down but dropped from R700 for the set :D

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Re: NC30 clutch plates in an NC24

Post by Neosophist » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:11 am

nice :D

main dealer?
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Re: NC30 clutch plates in an NC24

Post by EvanTate » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:31 pm

No some bike shop that's generally cheap on the odd occasion that actually have what I'm looking for haha.

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