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thermostat open *pics**

Post by nazzurro_19 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:52 pm

right i had a look in the haynes and it said the thermostat should open 8mm

this is before being cooked & is closed

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and this is open

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does this look ok , to me it does seem about 8mm , but then should the spring be fully compressed , if this thermostat is ok and works ok , what else could be causing the over heating ?

im soo losing hope with this bike

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Re: thermostat open *pics**

Post by speedy231278 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:45 pm

Coincidentally, I 'cooked' my new one at the weekend. It won't fully compress the spring, as long as you have 8mm between the ring above the spring and the main body where it seats when cold, it will be fine. That assumes it shuts fully when it cools down, 'cos if it doesn't the bike will take ages to warm up. It also assumes it started opening at the right temp, which off the top of my head is around 80c. Again, if it doesn't start opening at the tmep listed in the Haynes and doesn't reach 8mm by the temp stated, it's shot.

If the stat operates correctly, and the bike is still running hot for no good reason unless you're stuck in traffic on a hot day then there potentially are several causes:

Air in the system, although it's probably unlikely.
Dodgy water pump leading to loss of circulation.
Radiators need cleaning on the outside, or have lots of flattened fins reducing the airflow.
Radiators and engine waterways are full of crap and the system needs flushing to improve the flow.
Radiator cap is knackered and you're not getting any/much pressure leading to low efficiency and maybe boiling.
Fan is knackered.

It may have been you who posted about cooling recently, so apologies if you've already done/heard these before, but if it was my bike I would:

Make sure the rads were cleaned of all crap stuck between the fins. If necessary, remove from the bike and attack them under the shower with one of those brushes for cleaning wheels. You can jetwash rads, but you need to be VERY careful as if you spray from too close, and at an angle, you can damage the finds very easily, so it's better to use elbow grease. Also, if you take the rads off, you can see what the coolant looks like. If it's dirty, chances are the inside of the system is too. I flushed mine with RadFlush last year, and the coolant I drained at the weekend was crystal clear still. The downside was that my waterpump was shot and only the grot in the system was sealing it, so when it was cleaned, the thing leaked and had to be replaced!

If you clean the rads, flush everything, and it still runs hot, it may be worth checking the water pump. I'm not sure if there's much evidence of circulation visible in the top rad, so you may need to take it off and take it apart to check it. A worst case scenario might be that either the impeller has come adrift from the drive shaft, or the fins have corroded (a trait of the pump fitted to my missus' car :s ). Ignore the Haynes where it says 'some residual oil' might come out when you take it off and drop it out before you take the pump off. I took it off expecting a slight dribble, and about half a litre pissed out onto my friend's drive!

If you've got a working pump, clean rads, new coolant and a decent stat, and you STILL get overheating... maybe the gauge is playing up? The Haynes has instructions on how to test the temp sender to make sure it's sending the right story to the gauge.

Beyond that... gawd knows! ;-)
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Re: thermostat open *pics**

Post by nazzurro_19 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:36 pm

great reply bud cheers , i have indeed done all the tests on the gauge , shorting it to earth etc and the gauge is working , its hard to check the gap cause as soon as its out the water it starts to close lol ive brought a second hand replacement so im guna just use that now ive brought it lol, im going to clean the rads as they are currently off the bike , they dont look damaged too bad , obviously there is a few bent fins , but no massive patches of em

well ive got some good coolant , so ill clean rads , put the stat in then fill the rads , then the expansion tank , run it to temp and hope it all goes well then top up coolant as need be

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Re: thermostat open *pics**

Post by speedy231278 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:14 pm

Seeing as you have the bike empty and the rads off, it probably wouldn't hurt to have the water pump off and check that too. Best practice would be to change the o-ring behind it when you do so. Some people reuse them, but I found mine to be rock hard and figured that for a few quid for gaskets it would be better than an empty bike...

For the NC30 it's 19226-KE7-010 (used to end 000 but has been superceded) for the water pump internal seal and 91302-MB0-013 for the o-ring that goes between the pump and the engine case. They'll cost about a tenner posted. I even replaced the drain bolt and washer on mind for some daft reason, and the washer cost more than the bolt! lol
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Re: thermostat open *pics**

Post by nazzurro_19 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:31 pm

where did you get the seals from ? honda themselves ?

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Re: thermostat open *pics**

Post by thunderace » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:41 pm

David Silver at a guess. :peace:
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Re: thermostat open *pics**

Post by jay3 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:03 pm

nazzurro_19 wrote:where did you get the seals from ? honda themselves ?
Rick O sells them or any honda parts dealer

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Re: thermostat open *pics**

Post by speedy231278 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:29 pm

I normally get my bits from David Silver, unless I find them new on eBay for less (got a stat for about half the rrp). I've recently had some stuff from CMS in Holland who are often cheaper on consumables like seals, o-rings nuts, bolts and gaskets (but often more expensive for serious hardware), but that was a couple of hundred quid's worth and made the difference worth the hassle. For a few bits of rubber I'd stay with a UK supplier. I use DS because I can go to their website and bash an order through in seconds. I've not used Rick Oliver, but I've never heard a word against his service or products anywhere so he must be very good.
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