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this is the last time!

Post by mambraNC30 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:39 pm

Hi ALL!!!
Has anyone had all there clinders working almost perfectly... spark plugs burning nice and cream. but friggin cylinder#1 (rear left if your sitting on the bike) floods intermitedly? WTF... everytime it floods i have to strip and clean the plugs... then it will ride all good for about a week and then it will act up again... we busy checking and doin valve clearance and checked cam timing, but nothing out of the norm. electrics are working fine. what else could it be. and yes i put in BRAND SPANKING NEW PLUGS last week. R800shhhit

this is the last bloody time im stripping this bike. if its not gona work this time i am riding it into a wall or selling it for watever my buddies second hand bike shop is gona give me... :cry:

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Re: this is the last time!

Post by Old Painless » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:24 pm

Gapped too small or pilot screw set wrong ?

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Post by Neosophist » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:25 pm

Compression tested it to make sure all the cylinders are within spec?

Coil / Plug Lead ok? (As in it's sparking all the time?)

Carb float / pilots / jets same as other carbs, Sticking throttle slide?
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Post by MexicanGringo » Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:00 pm

Id say float heights as well, setting them can be ambiguous.. The spring loaded valve pin doesnt always return in consistently when theres no fuel to lubricate, so the height may effectively be set wrong.. One way to check is measure fuel level from float chambers, keep in mind the first chamber you measure will have more fuel because of the fuel in the line still coming through..

R800 for plugs bru?! I think i payed half that about a year ago...

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Post by Cammo » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:48 pm

MexicanGringo wrote:Id say float heights as well, setting them can be ambiguous.. The spring loaded valve pin doesnt always return in consistently when theres no fuel to lubricate, so the height may effectively be set wrong.
:plus:

The float valve could also be knackered.
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Post by mambraNC30 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:56 am

shimms all set within spec... new spark plugs and all were sparking great. but now a new problem. after putting everthing together. now the front cylinders were messing around, oh and it killed one of the new plugs completely(front)... eventually found that the motor was full of fuel mixing with the oil. WTF? so now we busy draining the fuel... but i will check out the other recomedations.... thanks for the replies guys.
R800 for plugs bru?! I think i payed half that about a year ago...

i paid that same price 2yrs ago... this is my thir set of plugs in th 2yrs i hav this bike.

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Re: this is the last time!

Post by mambraNC30 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:15 am

so now two cylinders are messing around (left rear and one in the front). it spits splatters, backfires and doesnt want to idle. :x wtf? how can a cylinder be F***n around now that hasnt had any problems before???

dont think i need a compression test. cause the is no oil on the spark plugs. and if i was loosing compression would i be loosing power too???

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Post by CRM » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:05 pm

as cammo has said, i bet its tyhe float valve thats goosed. new valve and seat should see it right
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Post by Neosophist » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:26 pm

mambraNC30 wrote:so now two cylinders are messing around (left rear and one in the front). it spits splatters, backfires and doesnt want to idle. :x wtf? how can a cylinder be F***n around now that hasnt had any problems before???

dont think i need a compression test. cause the is no oil on the spark plugs. and if i was loosing compression would i be loosing power too???
Maybe, maybe not.

You can't just rule something without testing it. It would help if you understand the process of how the engine works.


1. Petrol flows from the tank into the carbs, the NC30 has a vaccumn operated tap, controlled by a small hose from the tap to one of the cylinders, that only allows fuel to flow into the carbs when the engine is being cranked / running.

2. Petrol and is sucked into the engine from the carbs by a vaccumn created as the piston moves in the cylinder. This might sound simple but you have several variable that need to be set properly.

*Adequate air-flow
*Good cylinder compression to create adequate vaccumn (suck)
*Valves to open / close correct amount and at appropriate times
*Carbs to have appropriate jets, needles, floatheight and jets / passageways to be clean and clear.

3. The petrol air mix is ignited at the right time by the spark plug.

*This is determined by the CDI and ignition timing is automatic, it requires the cams/crank to be set in the right position. Usually an engine wont run at all if the cams are installed propely, it will often bend valves as the piston will hit them.

4. The burnt gasses are expelled from the cylinder.

*This requires the exhaust valves to open / close the right amount at the right time.


As you can see, you need fuel / air / compression / ignition for an engine to run, if you want it to run well you'll see there are quite a few variables that need to be within a small tolerance.

There are usual fail points on the bike though.

-Vaccumn pipe split / leaking.. will cause fuel starvation issues.

-Spark plugs dead... 8mm plugs die easy, usually due to flooding.

-Blocked carbs.. most common running issue, dirty / varnish builds up and blocks jets off causing bad running.

-Split carb rubbers.. the carbs are attached to the engine via rubbers, these go brittle with heat and age and can start leaking air, this also causes crap running.

-Bad float valves / fuel height... sticking floats can cause flooding, overflowing carbs, fuel starvation and incorrect float height can cause a boggy throttle. Expensive to replace with new parts and seldom wear out, most likely dirty causing obstuction or very high mileage.

-Pilot Screws out of adjustment... will cause bad idle.

-Worn cylinder bores... will create uneven vaccumn, bike wont' run right

-Leaking exhaust.. will often present itself as back-fires on the over-run.. bike may be down on power too.

Maintainance items

Valve Cleranaces, Carb Balancing

Valve clearances should be checked every 8000km., (before balancing the carbs!!) if the valves are too loose or too tight they might not be fully opening / closing and cause bad running.

Carb balancing will affect idle, it will be lumpy and not smooth if the carbs are not balanced, they should be checked every



Petrol Tank [Flows]-> Carbs [Sucked into]-> Engine [Pushed]-> Exhaust
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Re: this is the last time!

Post by mambraNC30 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:26 pm

Neosophist.
thanks for the info about the engine... but i have an idea of how it works but you brought somethings to my attention that i should have a look at again.
but it is the floats. i need new needle and seats. mine are worn.

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