RVF HRC transmission???

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Re: RVF HRC transmission???

Post by L.Svedberg » Tue May 04, 2010 3:01 pm

Old Painless wrote:You must have been weeping when you got it open mate. Sorry for your loss. :(

From the two NC24 engines i have had open and what you have said about the mileage on your engine it seems the cylinder walls wears awful quick on these bikes.

Why is that ? Thin nikosil or low oil flow ?

In fact, no nicasil whatsoever - the cylinder sleeves are old school cast iron on these engines.

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Re: RVF HRC transmission???

Post by skinnydog0_0 » Tue May 04, 2010 4:27 pm

:plus: on the above, my problem was due to a cheap chinese CDI havving an issue and not cutting the revvs at the red line, i overtook an R1 then realised i was doing about 25k rpm :whistle: then pop hole in the piston.
The Nc30 engine i am taking apart has similar looking barrels, and this engine has supposedly only done 25k kms.

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Re: RVF HRC transmission???

Post by Old Painless » Wed May 05, 2010 11:08 am

If these are iron bores the bores will wear out and need to be machined and honed before put back together again. Does the owners manual tell you it needs to be honed and new rings fitted every now and then ? Even if the bore is the correct size, if the hone marks wear off the bore wont retain oil properly and will use loads of oil and lose compression, not to mention wearing the rings out faster.

The bores were almost flat on the engine i just fitted to mine so it looks like i need to get my old broken engine honed, new rings and fit that instead. What a MAJOR MAJOR arse. Pity nikosil is so expensive, wouldnt have to be done again for a long time if that was used instead.

Skinnydog i would suggest inspecting the bores and getting them measured, if the cross-hatching is missing you ought to get the bores honed before fitting and you would need to check the piston/bore clearance after that too.

Thinking about it, if the manual lists 0.1mm max wear on the bores that is probably the figure to keep in mind. I guess the cross-hatching is just over 0.05mm deep then.

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Re: RVF HRC transmission???

Post by skinnydog0_0 » Wed May 05, 2010 5:02 pm

I think i will Old Painless, but i will only get the NC35 engine done, as this needs re-sleeving on 2 barrels so i will have that one sorted. i dont think i will have the cash to do the NC30 barrels too. Also the cost of getting them re-sleeved is so pricey it is almost as cost effective to just thrash the engine to death and get a replacement, and i am to old and slow to be really competative :smile:

Out of interest could i get them nikosil'd on steel bores? i am guessing probably not, but if i am having them re-sleeved could the new sleeves be nikosil'd?

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Re: RVF HRC transmission???

Post by Old Painless » Wed May 05, 2010 6:10 pm

I presume you could put nikosil over the steel but you would still have the expansion problems inherent with aluminium pistons and steel bores. They expand at different rates. It would probably be worth looking into if you were keeping the bike for a long time but its around £100 per bore to have it coated at the very least, might be quite expensive.

You could try ringing a local plater or maybe stan stephens, they are in touch with a quality plating firm for all their work no doubt.

That being said you might try looking at a re-bore of the current liner instead of trying to return the bores to factory fresh spec. PJME offer a rebore service at £30 per cylinder, you would have to ring them and ask how much they would need to bore it to get it back to being round again and honed properly. Its possible you could do the stock worn bore with a slight rebore and hone and use the stock pistons but you may be at the upper limit of the maximum piston to bore clearance. If that was the case you would need to rebore to suit oversize pistons instead.

Have a look here : http://www.pjme.co.uk/acatalog/Cylinder_Re-Boring.html

I and many forum members from 125ccsportsbikes.com have used PJME so i definitely trust their work, i have personally spoken to the owner so i know he knows his apples. Who do everybody from 400GB usually use ?

If you can get your engine sorted back up to high compression as its supposed to be it would be faster too. :mrgreen:

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Re: RVF HRC transmission???

Post by skinnydog0_0 » Thu May 06, 2010 12:00 am

Yes i think your right, old Painless. my cylinders on the nc30 engine are probably at their limit and i dont think i could justify the extra on the nikosil. As for local plater, i am so far from any sort of small engineering firms that do this sort of work i would have to send it away. It took me about 4 weeks to find a local welder to do my exhaust.
PJME look like a very good company, and as you say competative prices. Would they supply over size pistons for the NC30 engine or would i have to source the pistons myself?
A company that was suggested to me was SEP Kegworth, they do lots of NC engines and head re-work. I have not used them myself, but they do come highly recomended. I think they are based in Derbyshire.

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Re: RVF HRC transmission???

Post by Old Painless » Thu May 06, 2010 8:30 am

I dont know if PJME would have the pistons or not, i presume not but you could always ask. SEP are ten mins from my place, they are pretty busy at the moment, im waiting on a fireblade crankcase being repaired and have been waiting a while. A lot of people swear by them but i has a 125cc cylinder head enlarged for a 160cc bore and they machined it off centre, berks. Maybe just a one off, shouldnt have let it get to me like that though.

Give Paul at Prox (PJME) a ring matey.

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