A miserable evening...

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A miserable evening...

Post by SimNC30 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:44 am

First of all, apologies for the overly long post... I think I've written an essay, but I'd love some of your considerable expertise, please.

So after changing my clutch plates over the weekend and rebuilding the fuel tap to how it was originally (with new diaphragms, spring) I put the fairings back on my bike last night and decided to take it for a little test ride to see how it was. It started beautifully (whereas before it would want to cut out as soon as I started turning the choke off) so I rode to the end of my road to see how the clutch was.... so far so good - the clutch wasn't biting close to the bar and the problem I had with it before where it would lose power pulling away in first gear when I let the clutch out, was gone.

I thought I'd take it out for 10 mins and do a loop down the dual carriageway near me and back to my house. After getting off the dual carriageway I started accelerating up a hill and subsequently lost all power, to the point where the bike was cutting out. I managed to turn it around and roll down the hill which got it started again but it kept wanting to die. Getting back down the dual carriageway and towards my house meant revving the living daylights out of it in second gear, just to keep it from dying. I managed to coax it to a more quiet road before it died again, at which point it refused to start. Fortunately I was able to ring a friend with a van and after 40 mins wait getting soaked in the rain I was able to get my bike back home :cry:

Can anyone shed any light on what this? I had a few problems with it at the end of Jan (haven't ridden it since then because of an operation on my leg), which, after testing the coils, changing the spark plugs and making sure there was a spark, I thought I'd traced to the fuel tap - hence taking it apart, discovering it was missing various parts (maybe someone had tried to do the vacuum bypass mod and cocked it up) and putting it back to standard with new bits. When I started it last night it fired up perfectly and I thought it was all sorted - it was revving freely, sounded healthy, engine was responsive etc. It only started being funny after about half a mile (when it was warm...?) and just totally lost power. I had to keep the revs incredibly high to stop it from cutting out (sitting at a set of lights and pulling away required upwards of 7k :o ) and then at one point holding the throttle wide open in second gear it refused to rev past 4000 rpm and cut out again. Also, trying to start it resulted in it sort of running at about 2k, but never sounding like it was happy. If opened the throttle or wound more choke on it would try to build revs but couldn't and would end up dying again.

I have no idea what is wrong - it lured me into a false sense of security by running so nicely when I first got it out of the garage. It almost seems like it is playing up once it's warm (also when it is warmed up the temp gauge is fine - no overheating etc) because it ran so well, until I'd done about half a mile. I'm thinking it could be fuel? But if it's a fueling problem surely it would be consistent? I'm losing my rag with it to be honest, and am seriously contemplating getting rid of it because if I can't ride it loads throughout the summer then I'm wasting my time, energy and what money I can afford to spend to spend on it each month. If anyone on here has experienced anything similar then I'd love to hear from you, or if any of you wise people can suggest what the problem could be :pray: I'd be very happy because it's massively disconcerting to think I had sorted it, when really, the bike is actually like a pile of sick. Sick that a dog has done a runny, smelly shit in.

Thanks,
Simon

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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by CMSMJ1 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:21 am

Have you checked your battery/charging system?

A battery that is only getting partially charged will allow you to get going and then it starts to die - like fuelling feels. Then..no go.

So, I'd check the charging etc for starters.

I assume that you have a good vacuum line etc as you have been fiddling with the tap? You did test it using the vacuum didn't you??
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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by SimNC30 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:53 am

I've not checked the battery / charging system, and don't have any voltmeters etc and am not too good when it comes to electrics so might have to get a mechanic to do that. Would that cause loss of power power pulling away and during normal riding etc? It feels uncannily like a fuel problem!

Vacuum is good and strong and the fuel tap is now working as it should with the new diaphragms / spring and plastic disc that I've put back in it and considering how well it starts compared to the bizarre setup in the fuel tap before, I'm confident it's not that.

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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by tomski » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:14 pm

+1 on CMSMJ1's theory, I had similar symptoms with a dodgy battery, but maybe not as severve.
Having said that, my old battery wouldn't turn my engine over, just audiable solenoid clicks on pressing the starter button.

Wait to see what others suggest mate, but I'd guess that a new multimeter is cheaper than a potentialy useless mechanic.

Hope that helps.

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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by ozracer » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:43 pm

Could still be a fuel problem. If you have a blocked tank breather, the bike will run fine for a while and gradually become leaner until it won't run anymore. I've had this problem on a different bike and when it happens, if you open the fuel filler, you will hear air rush into the tank. The bike will then start and run fine until the vacuum builds up again in the tank. Easily checked by sucking on the breather hose.

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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by Neosophist » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:10 pm

Fueling problem / dodgey electrics.

I've had 3 similar seperate incidents.

The one was caused by the vaccumn pipe being split and the bike loosing vaccumn to the tank / starving of fuel.

The other one was a bad earth

The final one was caused by the main fuse (30amp) being SNAPPED! It was making intermittent contact with the blade causing loss of power etc etc. Only tracked it down due to the connector burning away :)
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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by jo » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:12 pm

I'd definitely check the voltage out on the battery. Sounds like alternator and rectifier to me. I've had 4 go on me so have experience in this field! It should read 13 - 14 volts.
A Dodgy alternator will let you ride for a few miles but it will eventually lose power and die. But once left overnight it will recharge and start up again. I had this for about a year. Then we took the alternator off to find one of the 3 wires was exposed and shorting out.

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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by nakes999 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:31 pm

Are you 100% sure that your vacuum hose is not split and the walls are not caving in when it's warm?

Also, are you absolutely sure the tap has been assembled properly? and that it's still all in tact? Sounds like a fueling problem to me.. perhaps a tap problem... open it up and make sure it's assembled properly and that everything is still in place

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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by Neosophist » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:09 pm

nakes999 wrote:Are you 100% sure that your vacuum hose is not split and the walls are not caving in when it's warm?

Also, are you absolutely sure the tap has been assembled properly? and that it's still all in tact? Sounds like a fueling problem to me.. perhaps a tap problem... open it up and make sure it's assembled properly and that everything is still in place
easiest way to isolate that is to plug the vaccumn line up so you don't have an air-leak and use a make-shift tank out of a small coke bottle etc, pole a little hole in the top to allow the air to escape and sure it properly, make sure it wont leak and take it for a run.. that'll bypass your vaccumn system and you can either see if it fixes it or you have the same prob
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Re: A miserable evening...

Post by hardnutdvd » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:50 pm

you can use the following guide to check the charging system..if it is the problem, this guide will get to the bottom of it.
http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/pdfs/Tro ... G-&-RR.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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